Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Old Soul/New Soul


Barbara: The other day, a friend and I were chatting about how some people seem more naturally comfortable with life’s trials and tribulations than others. She told me that a friend of hers (who I didn’t know) was very easily overwhelmed with everyday challenges. When my friend was talking her through some coping strategies, the other friend finally looked up and asked, “Do you believe in the whole ‘past lives’ thing?” When my friend asked why, she answered that, while she wasn’t sure what she believed, she definitely felt “new at this”.

Now this idea—that she is “new at this"—just utterly charmed me. First off, there is the vulnerable sweetness of the observation. Then there is the observation part of the observation. Not all of us would be able to a) identify this lack of life-skill, and then b) admit that we felt like we were at the fledgling stage of a larger state of life, like being at the starting square of Monopoly with our unspoiled piles of fake money while all the other players started a long time ago and their banks are in disarray but they surely know all the tricks by now and keep getting farther and farther ahead while we have to—somehow—catch up.

So, obviously, the whole question got me to wondering.

Now, we can if we want put out here what we believe as far as past lives goes, or we can gloss over that part of the question and maybe decide, if we were to believe in it, how experienced we felt ourselves to be. I, for one, have often entertained the idea of past lives, without actually sealing it with my Final Decree stamp of certainty. I do remember once lying in a meditative state on a massage table, hovering at near-sleep and having a very vivid daydream in which I was a Roman statesman. I could see myself as this Roman, my white robes, my short hair, I could accept the fact that underneath that unfamiliar visage, and despite the fact that this was a man, “he” was me. This was a different experience than being in a dream-state (or a nightmare), and, to this day, feels so utterly real that I still believe I was seeing a past life. That’s as close as I’ve ever come to knowing a thing that is, for all intents and purposes, totally unknowable. I also often say someone is “an old soul”, or that they have “gone a few rounds at this life thing”, etc. It’s almost a rote observation now, one I make without actually thinking about the spiritual significance of old souls and new souls, or no souls at all.

So I’m going to go back to today’s question: if you were to enter into the discussion today and had to proclaim yourself “an old hand” or “new at this”, which would it be?

Despite my Roman vision, I have always felt a kind of “old soul” kinship in my blood. As much as I hope it doesn’t sound like I’m proclaiming myself a sage or a final authority in the matter of souls, I would have to say I do feel like an “old soul”.

Deb: Great topic, Barb. It’s funny but in the past few years I have grown weary of all the new parents who proclaim their offspring to be “old souls”. I think it’s a given that all new infants tend to appear like old souls and I do believe in the possibility, but I don’t think we can just start tossing it around, as it tends to lose its lustre.  It has become the “I was at Woodstock” of the soul. Having said that, I do feel I was prepared for this life. I do feel I have some sort of old take on things in certain areas. I don’t feel new in that sense. I don’t know what it is and I am not officially claiming to be officially an old soul. But I know I’m not new at the game. I’ve been around the karma block a time or two methinks.  I asked Colin what he thought and he said, I don’t feel old but I also don’t feel new. Really interesting concept. I am going to think on this one for a while.

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  1. I don't really believe in past lives, but I do sometimes feel like I am in the wrong time. What I mean is, I could easily see myself living 100, 200, 500 years ago without much difficultly. I have always had this obsession with the past, certain times in particular, and I just have this unexplainable connection with it. I don't know...
    As far as being an "old" soul or "new"... I really can't say. I think I will have to mirror Colin's response to this question. Sometimes I feel like an old soul, then sometimes I feel new. I have been told that I have an old soul though. People are often amazed that I can handle myself in difficult situations and in high pressure situations. The thing is, I never realize it. I don't feel like I'm dealing with it all so well, but I get told that I am.
    I have to say that I do sometimes experience deja vu. I get this feeling of being in a certain place before, saying something before, that sort of thing and I don't know what to make of it. I also have very vivid dreams sometimes that seem so real that I don't always know if it really was a dream....
    Interesting and thought-provoking post today, ladies!

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    1. That is another really interesting question, isn't it, Steph? That idea that we feel we might belong to another time... Myself, I feel very here in this time and can't imagine being cool with old-time difficulties like, for instance, smelly smells!!

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  2. I have not ever thought of myself as an old soul. I have never had a past life feeling. I have enough to do in the present life:). I think I just learned great coping methods through my life and always had organizational skills to figure out things. Who knows where it came from but I am assuming genetics. Great topic.

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    1. Exactly! And genetics is a kind of "past life" inheritance too, isn't it? -- and by that I mean, the past lives of our ancestors, to whom we're clearly related. So whether reincarnation is in the mix at all, we still have some kind of old souls in our new souls ;)

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  3. Yes indeed interesting topic. I have thought of myself as an old soul ever since I first heard of this topic. It might be something to do with, that when I was about 10 years old I first asked permisson to move away from home as I was certain that I would be able to live by myself. Only reason why I wasn't given permisson to do so, was that I wouldn't be able to get a job to provide for myself. For there to be old and new souls, I do think there has to be the middle ones as well. How silly would it be if you got the status of old just after your first time around. So there must be the "middle age" souls as well somewhere as well as the "teenage" souls. Still when these are added to the map, I would say I am on the older side of it.

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    1. Wow, moving away at 10. You really knew what you were up against, didn't you, Kasku?! And, yes, I totally think if we're talking old and new, we have to include middle-aged and teenaged! (but where would the lines be, I wonder???)

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    2. Yes indeed. I still remember the reasoning behind my decision :) I couldn't think of any reason why I should live at home. I could already cook, do the dishes and laundry, vacuum, etc. My logic was to eliminate persons from my life and see how would I coupe without them. (This was three years after my parents devorced, so I had had some practice.) My conclusion was that I will be able to take care of myself and there is no parent needed. Have to point out, that my life did not include my sister. So I still had some trust in my parents to be able to take care of her.

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    3. Soooo interesting, Kasku. The vulnerable mind and heart of a young girl is exquisitely captured here.

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  4. Wow, interesting topic! I do believe in past lives, and I believe that's why we are often inexplicably drawn to certain places, people and periods in time. And I also think we've all got our lessons to learn, if not in this life then the next! I realise I have no proof for believing this (except maybe a few fun experiences), but it does make life a whole lot more interesting :-)

    To me, being an "old soul" or "wise soul" doesn't necessarily have to do with knowing how to cope with the practicalities of everyday life. To me, it's more about intrinsically knowing/feeling what's right and wrong and acting on that, trusting your own judgment, learning from experiences, being open, accepting. Maybe that's why so many kids are being called "old" - because they have that innocence to begin with? Does that make sense?

    Sometimes I feel positively geriatric, going: "yeah, I've really got the hang of this - I'm wisdom personified!!!". But usually something happens that makes me feel like I'm a little lost toddler-soul again. On the whole, I guess I'm middle-aged: hopefully having the basics covered but with so, SO much more to learn. And so many more lives to learn it ;-)

    Hey - accidentally found this while browsing:
    http://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_age_index.html

    ...I think that makes me 'mature' - like cheddar cheese!

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    1. Perfect timing on that link, Margo! Yes, I guess I would have to land in "mature soul" on that index... I love your observations about souls and our development -- very resonant! I often find that just as I think I've "figured something out", life happens and I realize I got it wrong, then it's back to square one...

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  5. I don't think I believe in past lives or old or new souls, but I do believe in inherited memories. There's so much about the brain that isn't understood yet. As well as nose shape, musical talent, etc, I think we can also inherit flashes of ancestors memories, empathies, understanding of the world, and fears. I think that in some people the connections in the brain might be working well so they can tap into these- and then possibly realise that they're not from their own experince but something beyond that.

    I read recently that scientists have discovered that some of the foetal cells that are created in pregnancy are actually absorbed back into the mother's blood stream, cross the blood brain barrier and are then stored in the mother's brain for up to 10-15 years. When your brain suffers an injury and you're a mother, it's actually the foetal cells that came from your last child that travel to the injury site first and start the healing process. I find it fascinating that your child could be a teeneager but you're still storing some of their cells in your brain! This is totally different to the topic but it actually reinforced my beliefs because if it's been discoverd that we store our childrens cells in our own brain, who knows what else is passed down/stored from generation to generation. I think the "old souls" among us might be more linked in to the part of their brain with whatever it is that is linking us to our ancestors.
    Havn't articulated it that well but I hope my belief is kinda clear! :)

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    1. I think you've articulated this brilliantly well!! I LOVE this, in fact. (always love a dose of science with my musings :) )And this relates to what I said to Madge about how genetics do feel like an ancestral link which, reincarnation or not, is completely part of the path from the past to the present. The cell thing makes that even more fascinating.

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  6. Hmmm...not really sure where I stand on this. For now I'm open minded to both concepts. :]

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  7. I don't know what to input re this soul topic. I don't believe in souls so the whole old or new thing is lost on me. But on a completely unrelated note, one of the ads off to the side said it was vegetarian month and offered up lots of yummy sounding recipies! So I am off to check out some yummy ideas, and shall leave you souls, young and old to do your thing : ) hey that kinda rhymed! well a little anyway : )

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    1. Kelly, so funny!! Glad you weighed in anyway. It's always good to get lots of perspectives on vague subjects like this. A vegetarian perspective is especially appealing ;)

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  8. I love pondering this. I myself don't feel particularly old, soul-wise. Early middle, I think. I feel like old souls come in two forms... one is rigid and set in its ways--I am married to one of these. And the other is a sort of zen personality--calm and contemplative. If I were to believe in an 'afterlife' which I don't, exactly--at least not the way people think of it usually, this zen version would be the last... Spirits go through their lives and learn their lessons and when they finally calmly just accept, then corporeal form isn't necessary anymore... or something.

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    1. The idea of a soul going through their lives until they can calmly accept and then move on has always resonated with me on a very fundamental level (by that I mean that I don't really understand what I mean, but something just feels right about it...) So, like you, I love pondering this stuff, whatever my truth in any given moment.

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  9. Fun topic! And, oh, the possibilities! Will we ever know? I think that is the punch line of the universe. If anyone does discover the answer, they will be sucked into a black hole so they can't tell anyone else!

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    1. Ha! Exactly, Eileen! What happens in The Spirit stays in The Spirit... ;)

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  10. I don't feel old or new, but I do feel comfortable being who I am. I'm not sure if that is the feeling people describe as "old soul" or not. I don't have any sense of having led prior lives.

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    1. Well, I actually think that's the best possible state to be in, whatever the life-cycle!

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  11. Ohhhh a Delicious Topic....AGAIN!!! and you sooooo knew I would relish this didnt you?
    Well, Lemme tell ya what I think. I think we are all old souls in a sense that we are all eternal. We are always here. In physical or non-physical. So yeah I believe in past lives but I dont believe that it has anything to do with this life. I dont believe in Karma. Karma is something that tells you to behave in a certain way so you wont get bitten in the ass later in life. Well I think rather than spending so much time calculating your karma..... LIVE for a bit!! You know me! and I'm sure you knew I would say that. lol.

    I do love pondering this topic though. Ya know what I think? I think we choose every life we get into. Its like setting a game difficulty and customizing its features if you will. We choose our family, circumstances (physical or emotional), country, city, relatives,etc etc. Because from an eternal point of view we all are here for the fun of it! Not for the drama! Some get this, some dont. But one thing remains the same. Every game is a fresh and new. No links, no unfinished business.

    And I think what we are calling an 'Old Soul' is more of a personality trait than the age. We have all been here for so long its pretty difficult to say how old or new. I think when I say 'Old Soul' I mean it because of the Wisdom. And when I say 'New Soul' I mean it because of the Youthfulness. So I think its more about the personality than Past lives. But ya, Ive had glimpses too. But with me it was alternate lives. Not past. But I do get vague visions in certain environments...I go in a trance sometimes... Which I am pretty sure is about the future. But IDK what exactly. But it must be cool have past life glimpses... Wow...I can TOTALLY PICTURE A ROMAN BARB! :D

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    1. I WAS looking forward to what you would say on this, S! And I love this vivid description. I think the idea that every life is "refreshing and new" is just so important, no matter what else one believes. What's funny about your last paragraph is that I would describe you "new soul" when it comes to youthful exuberance, but "old soul" when it comes to confident wisdom!

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  12. I've thought about this question and am no closer to an answer. Some days I feel old as dust and other days as shiny as a penny dropping off the mints production line. I've been told fairly often that I have an old soul and I really haven't thought of it as much more than just who I am not what I am if that makes any sense! I guess really what I'm saying is I don't know.

    I'm enjoying all the theories and thoughts on this however the idea of genetics, inherited memories and the like is quite thought provoking. Shalaka your supposition that an old soul is simply a personality trait really rings true to me.

    This also brings to my mind the story "The Egg" by Andy Weir, if anyone hasn't heard of it here's a link to it:

    http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

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    1. I've never read The Egg, Erin, thanks so much for linking it! It is really fascinating! And, I have to agree with you: I don't know at all, but then someone will say something, or something will happen, and I will think about it and wonder and then make some suppositions, or guesses, and come up with some idea. Like today's post!

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  13. Hmm...I don't know.
    I just thought (or maybe I misunderstood the whole old soul - concept), if we can be reborn, or if we can be old soulds...are there any new souls at all?

    Do the same souls "live" on earth forever? Can new souls be born, or is it a never-ending loop?

    On the one hand, I think it's interesting...if my soul has actually experienced history.
    But on the other hand, I always believed that - when I die - my soul will come to (my) Heaven, where it will meet the souls of my beloved ones...

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    1. You should read the story Erin links to above! It is an answer to your question. I guess, not having had much religious learning in my background, I forget where those teachings might bring one's mind and ideas. But I love that you will wander around with us and poke at the question, Becki.

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  14. I don't believe in reincarnation either. I'm more inclined to believe something along the lines of what Samara said. I think it's a strong probability that we resonate more with our ancestors more than modern day science has figured out. I think we get glimpses of this sometimes in studies on adoptees.

    Although, the concept of reincarnation does bring up interesting possibilities in terms of free will. What if someone who has passed on to the afterlife chooses to come back and try again? What if someone, let's call him Sid, is hanging out in Heaven and gets the heads up that his great-great-great-grandniece Carolyn has got a really bumpy ride coming her way in life. But, his being present in her life as, say, I don't know, her best friend's child, would make a positive difference in Carolyn's life in the long run, help her over some of those bigger bumps a little more gently. So, he decides to go ahead and get born again and do another round in the earthly realm. Sid's cool with that because he's got the perspective of eternity, now, and realizes that 80 years is just a little blip in his soul's timeline. So, he's game for another round because he knows he'll come out on the other side of Earth's complications OK. And, boom, there's baby girl Sydney being born and doing another 80 years walking around on the planet in a meat sack. I don't have a theological problem with this. Free will and all. (But, then, according to many folks I know, I can't be a real Christian. I'm a liberal heretic. Surely, I'm misled and am going to burn in hell because I am not a Fundamentalist. lol) Who knows? All this stuff is beyond us as we walk around in our meat with our funky, juicy, barely awake human brains.

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    1. Your last sentence sums it up perfectly, Rigel!! So well said! And your story about Sid is really evocative. Because, even though 80 or 90 or 100 years sounds and feels long in the now, it IS a blip, isn't it? No matter what happens in our lives, the worst of the worst and the best of the best, they are all just blips of experiences laced together. Little tiny blips. It would be nice to know there are some wonderful guardian Sid's in there too :)

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  15. Souzan Rezai from Vancouver, BCOctober 10, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    I can't say for certain what my beliefs are, but using the 'gloss-over' card, I will say that I had met a woman at a retreat one who was very spiritual and read birth charts and life coached-- the whole incense-y enchilada. Jamie and I clicked really quickly, and that's the only word for it; "clicked". We didn't have an abundance of shared interests that we talked about, she was 25 years older than I was, but we just sat down, and "clicked". And in our first conversation, an intense amount of pouring-out occurred. She said that I was an old soul, and that she 'recognized' me from a past life where we were intensely connected.

    I don't care about proving this unequivocally right, or wrong. I liked it!

    I also felt the "click" once when dancing with this one guy. Oh man. I didn't know him personally, he was a first year when I was in second year (and yeah, I'll brag, all the girls were pretty a-swooned by him. He was a looker >:) and we did this exploratory dance thing as a part of an exercise, and... holy moley. All I could think was "we have definitely done this before..." I firmly believe that the only explanation for our ridiculous synchronized rhythm-- having never met or spoken or anything before-- was that we must have had a passionate affair in a past life. Which is kind of lame, cause I could really use a passionate affair in THIS life but, oh well. I guess I'll always have my deep-rooted subconscious non-memories...

    I really love how your friend used the phrase "I feel new at this". I actually really liked it to help me be more patient and understanding of some of my own circle who also just get discombobulated at every step of life. Maybe I have had a few more rounds through the ringer than them, maybe not, but does it even matter? If it FEELS like that for them, I can try and be a bit more patient with the youngins'...
    (yes, that was fun for me to say, because yes the people I refer to are all older than me >;)

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    1. Great post, Souzan!! Oh, man, your "clicking" stories are wonderful! And we've all, I think, experienced flashes of this at some point in our lives. And then we wonder what they are and if they will lead to anything bigger. Those dazzling connections can be downright freaky! I also love your observation about being patient with people who don't seem to get it (and, ha, yes, they can be older!).

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  16. While driving to pick up my son from school, I realized that I have an anecdote to support Samara's hypothesis.

    When I was 21, my first job out of university was a summer contract that had an end date. So, I knew I'd be job hunting again really soon. During that summer, I went to visit a university friend of mine in his city. That was Charlotte, NC. I fell in love with Charlotte and went job hunting while I was up there for a few days. At the end of the summer, I moved to Charlotte and it was instantly perfect. I felt very happy and at home there. It was almost spooky how well I fit there from week one. One of my greatest regrets in life is that I ever moved away from Charlotte. (But, that's another story...)

    Anyway, Charlotte was instantly home, a perfect fit for me (except no beach, but the beach was an easy drive east and I could crash out at another university friend's parents' house for free). Fast forward a few months. I was on a weekend trip a few hours away to see my aunt (my great grandmother's (my Gram) surviving youngest sister) and my mom's and my cousin and his then wife. My aunt (who has since died) was very, very big into doing genealogy. She told me something that stunned me. She showed me documents that a lot of our ancestors who had come over, mostly from Ireland and a couple from Wales, had settled in Mecklenberg County!!! This place that had instantly felt like home to me had actually been my family's home upon emigrating to the North America. I hadn't known that when I'd been drawn to move there.

    Freaky cool.

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    1. Oh, wow, this IS freaky cool!! Thanks for sharing this one! And this is definitely akin to those siblings/twins who are separated at birth and then are discovered much later to share all these traits and habits, etc. Do you still feel drawn there?

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  17. BTW, Barbara, I think this would be a cool topic for a future post:

    What historical time periods, people, lifestyles, etc. most intrigue you? When would you live and what would you be doing?

    Deb talked about this a little bit a while back, but I don't think we've really fully explored it.

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    1. (between you and me, we already have a cheeky little 5 crazy things posted for tomorrow... shhhhh)

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    2. Looking forward to it! *mwahahahaha!*

      Anyway, seems we always keep your queue amply stocked with Tues./Thurs. ideas. Demanding wenches, aren't we? :)

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    3. (oh, and by "cheeky", I actually mean "pertinent to this post and your suggestion", tee hee)

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    4. Kinda suspected. You weren't particularly subtle. :)

      FWIW, I must be a youngin' because the only other times/places that really sing to me mostly fall in 1800's and 1900's. I don't feel ancient. I don't have an inner Roman, Barbara. :)

      But, I have often wondered if Ireland would feel like home if I ever got to go there.

      There's also some weird, ummmm, well, I don't know how to put this. Ummmm. *face turning red* Kinda, well, uh, paranormal? Would that word work? There's freakyass stuff about me that I kinda suspect has come down through a line in my mom's family. I've got a bit of an oogie boogie streak. *shrugs* Sorry. (Whoa, that was hard to admit.)

      I'm a fairly typical Southern girl: Irish, Cherokee, Welsh, English, Swiss/German. I know more far about my mother's side than my dad's. Not sure what all ingredients are stirred into the soup on his side except for a whole lot of English. I do know that I come from very sturdy, independent, farming, frontier stock.

      But, to play along with this thread, belief or, as the case may be, disbelief in reincarnation aside, I must be pretty much a newbie because it should be fairly obvious that I'm a clueless spazz in this life.

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    5. Don't you LOVE when someone says something that for all intents and purposes is sad (ie your last line here) and yet they can still make you laugh your ass off? That, as they have just scientifically measured, is the key to good comedy!

      We also get a big kick out of paranormal stories, D and I. Maybe for another post??? (great ethnic mix, btw)

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    6. Rigel, I spent a day in Cork (Cobhn) Ireland, and I really felt as if I'd come home. COMPLETELY unexpected. I had been hoping to enjoy a pint of Guinness Draft that had been brewed up the road, but the word BELONG just felt RIGHT.
      There's also French on my dad's side, and Paris didn't move me. My mother's entire side of the family came from Newfoundland. Maybe I actually have to go there to feel something, but I haven't felt "Canadian" the way I felt, and feel, IRISH. It's odd, isn't it?

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    7. However, one of the last eras I'd want to go back to is during a potato famine!

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  18. Oh, forgot to mention, my ancestors that settled in Mecklenberg County were back in the 1700's.

    We also intermarried Cherokee.

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  19. I don't see myself as an old soul or young soul. I like the idea of reincarnation, but it's not something everyone gets to do. It's like the lottery, some people win and some people don't. The people that win come back as a new form, but NOT human. Animals.

    (If I ever believed I was reincarnated, I'd wonder what the hell I'd done in a previous life that's making me go through some real shit this time around.)

    Cats, in particular, have more of that "old soul" look than any person I've ever met. I'm not ashamed to say I have one cat in particular that displays characteristics of someone I used to know. We have an unusual connection, and conversations.

    Souzan wrote what I basically end up back at:

    I don't care about proving this unequivocally right, or wrong. I liked it!

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    1. My thoughts exactly! As for the suffering stuff, what if it's all just experiments, some concoction we make up to see what would happen if I did this, or this??? Okay, this post and the comments and the TERRIBLE head cold I am presently nursing and my fatigue are now officially wreaking havoc with my brain...

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    2. If I concentrate on this too long, it ends up resembling the ending of "Men In Black," where the earth is just a marble in a game being played by giant creatures. Don't need that right now. :)

      Get some rest! Not, 'try to get some rest,'...GET SOME REST. Hope you feel better soon!! oxoxo

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    3. Thanks, doll, feeling some relief today! (and also had to work, so...)

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  20. It would be funny to trace how many of us here in this bloggie family are genealogically linked. How many of y'all are my 8th cousins? LOL And, I don't mean going all the way back to Biblical times! LOL

    How many of us have ancestors who emigrated together? Settled together and intermarried? If you are from North Carolina, the western part of the Florida Panhandle, certain counties in Ireland, west-central Arkansas, or parts of Northern-NorthCentral Alabama, chances are, we're kin to each other somehow. lol

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    1. Rigel, what a great question! Wouldn't that be interesting???

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  21. I don't know we reincarnate, but I believe we do. One experience I had, while doing a psychic reading some 30 yrs ago for my closest friend (really you just sit there and let it happen, it doesn't take great talent, just trust and openness), was her face changing in front of me many times. I saw many faces, all seemed familiar, but I didn't understand what it was all about until my teacher explained that I was seeing my friend as she appeared in many of our past lives together. The explanation felt right, what can I say.

    I've also done some past-life meditations that seem to explain certain inclinations in the present.

    My personal jury remains out on this question, but I lean toward the yes, I believe it's true.

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    1. Wow, what an amazing experience, Kate! I do think you would be particularly open to seeing things most of us could not (or would not). I'm in your shoes -- not sure, and lots of other stuff resonates for me (ie the genetic/ancestor thing), but I also feel this resonates too...

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